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John Nguyen
04-20-2006, 06:35 PM
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Paleolithic Nutrition

The Paleolithic lasted from about 200 000 years ago to about 12 000 years ago and was characterized by a hunting and gathering lifestyle for humans. During this time the food supply consisted almost exclusively of lean wild meats, fish, vegetables and fruits. These provided all the nutrients necessary for a very active lifestyle which involved far more exercise than our current way of living. Most importantly, because humans slowly adapted to this food supply over 2 000 000 years, the human genome was very compatible with all the various types of proteins, fats, carbohydrates and micro-nutrients found in these foods as well as various anti-nutrients that the plants and animals evolved to discourage their consumption. Thus it is very unlikely that the normal constituents of the food supply (excluding bacteria etc) would have caused any common biochemical malfunctions (ie disease) because those not compatible with such foods would have been naturally selected from the gene pool over the hundreds of thousands of years this food supply was consumed. Thus a diet of lean meat, fish, fruits and vegetables is now considered to represent a Paleolithic Diet and such a diet is basically that to which humans are genetically adapted.

With the rapid increase of the human population and a consequent dwindling of the standard foods, humans added new foods to their diet and these included grains (cultivated grass seed) and milk and meat products from domesticated animals. This change to a "grow your own" food supply of the agricultural revolution began about 12 000 years ago in the Middle East and slowly spread westward, reaching Scandinavia and the British Isles about 6 000 years ago.

There can be little doubt that in the early days of agriculture there must have been a broad spectrum of genetic incompatibilities with these new foods which contained a great variety of new, never-seen-before proteins as well as a much greater abundance of saturated fat than the Paleolithic foods. Such incompatibilities likely varied from very high to minor. Over the last 6000 years most of the genes which were very incompatible with the new foods were probably eliminated from the gene pool because of the biochemical failures (illnesses) which would have hit those with such genes before the age of reproduction. However those with lesser genetic incompatibilities and who were not affected by adverse reactions until after the age of reproduction (~18-30) have passed on such genes to our current generations. Thus most diseases associated with the new foods of dairy, grains and high saturated fat meats do not appear until later in life. These include heart disease, stroke, some cancers (prostate, breast, colon), many autoimmune diseases and a variety of chronic degenerative diseases (eg Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s).

Notably a few of these disease do occur in young people and include juvenile diabetes and arthritis. These "exceptions to the rule" most likely relate to the very recent practice of supplementing babies with the new foods (milk, wheat, soy) in the first year of life. Such a practice will identify another group of individuals with very specific food incompatibilities and who would have probably been fine for a long time if they had not had such an early exposure to the problematic foods.

In summary it only makes sense that if our genes are compatible with a supply of a great variety of chemicals from lean meat, fish, fruits and vegetables that any deviation from this is going to have a negative effect on part of the gene pool. Thus it is not surprising that epidemiological studies have shown that the more dairy, grains and high fat meats a society eats the greater the prevalences of all the various non-infectious, "lifestyle" diseases which were listed above. The fact that the people of the outports of Newfoundland who eat mainly fish and home grown vegetables have one tenth the amount of multiple sclerosis than do genetically similar Albertans whose diet is dominated by red meats, grains and dairy products is a fine example of the relationship between disease prevalence and dietary habits. If your car was built for diesel fuel, don’t be surprised if you have a variety of malfunctions when you start filling it with high octane gasoline!

It can be instructive to compare a Paleolithic diet with a standard North American one to understand where the main problems lie.

PROTEIN-In a Paleolithic diet protein makes up about 25-30% of calories and is derived almost exclusively from lean meats and fish. This contrasts with the NA diet which consists of only 10-15% protein which is derived from high fat meats, grains, dairy products and legumes. Thus both the amount and sources vary greatly between the two dietary practices. Proteins play a major role in autoimmune disease and thus these new sources of proteins (dairy, grains, legumes) which present the immune system with completely new protein fragments, are very problematic. Celiac disease is a fine example of an autoimmune disease driven by these novel proteins. These newly introduced proteins also play a major role in MS, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn’s and type 1 diabetes.

CARBOHYDRATES-Paleolithic carbohydrates were gained mainly from fruits and vegetables which have a low glycemic index and which are associated with abundant micro-nutrients and fibre. They made up about 30-35% of the calorie intake. Once again the contrast with the NA diet is huge. In the NA diet carbohydrates are derived mainly from grains and refined sugars with fruits and vegetables being a minor supply. Furthermore carbohydrates make up 50-60% of calories, nearly twice that of the Paleolithic diet. These new sources of carbohydrates have a high glycemic index and this, in combination with the great increase in intake, significantly stresses the glucose-insulin system. This results in a myriad of diseases most often led by type 2 diabetes. These new carbohydrates also have much less fibre and micro-nutrients which also has a very negative health effect.

FATS-Fats comprise about 35-40% of Paleolithic calories and consisted mainly of monosaturated and polyunsaturated fats. In the polyunsaturated fats substantial amounts of omega 3 EFAs were included such that the omega 6/omega 3 ratio was less than 4. Saturated fats made up less than 40% of fat supply. The main sources of fat were lean wild animals, fish and nuts. Currently the NA diet contains similar amounts of fat (35-40%) but the amounts of the various types of fats are very different. The main fat types eaten today are saturated fat from fatty red meats and dairy products and trans fatty acids from margarines and processed baked goods. Omega 3 fats are almost non existent in the diet and the ratio of omega 6 to omega 3 EFAs exceeds 10. The overabundance of saturated fat, the introduction of an entirely new fat type (trans fatty acids) and a major deficiency in omega 3 EFA have resulted in major health problems including heart disease, stroke, hypertension, cancer and chronic degenerative diseases.

MICRONUTRIENTS-The Paleolithic diet contains many more micronutrients (vitamins, minerals, antioxidants) than does the NA diet. Vitamin consumption was about three times that of today in the Paleolithic due to the high intake of fruits and vegetables. Similarly intake of Zn, Ca, K and Fe was much higher in the Paleolithic. Only sodium and perhaps iodine are consumed much more today. Sodium consumption is about eight times that of the Paleolithic and this overabundance of Na along with an very low consumption of most minerals and vitamins not surprisingly has serious consequences for health.

In summary our current diet is very different from that consumed in the Paleolithic and with which humans are genetically compatible. These major differences are having a major effect on the health of the NA population and MS is just one of a broad spectrum of lifestyle diseases driven by our radically new dietary habits.

Below are a few links to sites which add more information and insight into Paleolithic Nutrition. The Eaton paper and the Cordain interview are excellent reviews of Paleolithic nutrition by the leading experts in the field. The Challem article is a layman’s summary and both the Wiss site and the Nicholson site contain a number of useful links to other sites which discuss Paleolithic nutrition.

John Nguyen
04-20-2006, 06:36 PM
Stone agers in the fast lane: chronic degenerative diseases in evolutionary perspective.
Am J Med 1988 Apr;84 (4):739-49

Eaton SB, Konner M, Shostak M

Department of Anthropology, School of Medicine, Emory University,

Atlanta, Georgia 30322.

From a genetic standpoint, humans living today are Stone Age hunter-gatherers displaced through time to a world that differs from that for which our genetic constitution was selected. Unlike evolutionary maladaptation, our current discordance has little effect on reproductive success; rather it acts as a potent promoter of chronic illnesses: atherosclerosis, essential hypertension, many cancers, diabetes mellitus, and obesity among others. These diseases are the results of interaction between genetically controlled biochemical processes and a myriad of biocultural influences--lifestyle factors--that include nutrition, exercise, and exposure to noxious substances. Although our genes have hardly changed, our culture has been transformed almost beyond recognition during the past 10, 000 years, especially since the Industrial Revolution. There is increasing evidence that the resulting mismatch fosters "diseases of civilization" that together cause 75 percent of all deaths in Western nations, but that are rare among persons whose lifeways reflect those of our preagricultural ancestors.


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Balanced intakes of natural triglycerides for optimum nutrition: an evolutionary and phytochemical perspective.
Med Hypotheses 1997 Sep;49 (3):247-61

Broadhurst CL

22nd Century Nutrition, Inc., Herbal Vineyard, Inc., Cloverly, MD 20905-4007, USA. cleigh@cais.com

Natural whole foods contain fats as structural components, and have a balance of polyunsaturated fat, monounsaturated fat, and saturated fat. Since we are still a Paleolithic species, adapted to eating only wild foods, it is difficult to justify the consumption of anything other than an overall balance of triglyceride/phospholipid types in an evolutionary sense. No natural fats are intrinsically good or bad--it is the proportions that matter. Variety is recommended in dietary lipid structure, degree of saturation, and chain length. Pathological n-3/n-6 polyunsaturated fat imbalance, obesity, and progressive glucose intolerance are consequences of adopting cereal grain based diets by both humans and livestock. Food processing and refining amplify these problems. Excessive concerns regarding polyunsaturated fat peroxidation in vivo are not warranted when triglycerides are balanced and normal diets are consumed. Numerous phytochemicals present in unrefined oils, fruits, vegetables, and herbs afford significant protection from lipid peroxidation and chronic disease.

Gabe Rinaldi
04-25-2006, 03:47 PM
Interesting stuff and makes a lot of sense.

Scott Kolasinski
05-28-2006, 02:48 AM
There are a number of assumptions that this article makes, too many. I'll be as concise as possible.

How do we know what evidence are they drawing this from? Where's the research coming from? How do we know all civilizations across North America, South America, North and Southern Asia, Australia, Europe and Africa ate the same? Those areas do not have the same climates, animals or trees.

Here's what we do know when it comes to cancer's history:
"The oldest description of human cancer was found in an Egyptian papyri written between 3000-1500 BC. It referred to tumors of the breast. The oldest specimen of a human cancer was found in the remains of a female skull dating back to the Bronze Age (1900-1600 BC).The mummified skeletal remains of Peruvian Incas, dating back 2400 years ago, contained lesions suggestive of malignant melanoma. And cancer was found in fossilized bones and manuscripts of ancient Egypt. Cancer is not a disease of our modern industrialized age, as some may have believed at one time.

One of the earliest human cancers found in the remains of mummies was a bone cancer suggestive of osteosarcoma. Louis Leakey found the oldest possible hominid malignant tumor in 1932 from the remains of either a Homo erectus or an Australopithecus. This tumor was suggestive of a Burkitt’s lymphoma (although that nomenclature was certainly not in use then). Diseases that we know to be rare cancers today have had a long history."

But the article states:"With the rapid increase of the human population and a consequent dwindling of the standard foods, humans added new foods to their diet and these included grains (cultivated grass seed) and milk and meat products from domesticated animals. This change to a "grow your own" food supply of the agricultural revolution began about 12 000 years ago in the Middle East and slowly spread westward, reaching Scandinavia and the British Isles about 6 000 years ago."

If this is true, then cancer didn't show up until 9000-10,500 years later. Not true. How did we still survive?

The article also suggests that the foreign proteins would create sickness and disease. This is true. The thing is, ANY foreign substance produces an immune response. Those that can fight it are fine and don't have symptoms. Those that can't, have ALLERGIES. They appear early in life and can remain for awhile as well. They vary in behavior and intensity in each individual. Many people have them now. If these were so "foreign" to so many people, then why haven't more died? How are we still here? Perhaps there's already something in our genetic machinery that could handle these changes that we not really changes.

Another thing, how does the author know the dietary percentages of the Paleolithic person? We only know from what we can detect scientificly and what has remained, not what was actually happening at the time.

Lastly, this article never mentions the idea of genetic mutations that happen all the time. A genetic mutation is a change in the nucleotide sequence of a DNA molecule. It happens all the time, we all have them. Once you know just how much can go wrong during the maturation of baby, you feel so fortunate to have 2 eyes in the proper location. My genetics prof told us that each of us have 200 of them. How do you know? Try to have a child with your sister/brother or first-cousin. The born imperfections are manifestations of the number of gene mutations we have. Also, genetic mutations are characteristic in various diseases, not what is eaten.

I share the same views as Kevin Willbanks (another Sports Nutritionist) and Jerry Telle wrote on Supertraining: "the biggest problem I see is not even related to the questionable inferences about the nature of the diet from scanty evidence. The biggest problem is that even if we knew exactly what our specific ancestors ate at a particular time of year, it is no indicator that this diet is optimal in any way." - Kevin

"food was consummed on a "first find and eat" basis. That is 2 days of reindeer, 3 days starve, 1 day of tubers etc." - Jerry

Gabe Rinaldi
05-28-2006, 03:15 PM
Here's a link to some published research on the Paleo diet.

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/published_research/

Thom Downing
05-28-2006, 09:52 PM
Since Dr. Cordain is the author of this book, as well as 90% of the studies listed here. I have attached his bio.

http://www.cmbm.org/mind_body_medicine_ABOUT/faculty_bios/Loren_Cordain_PhD.php

Scott Kolasinski
05-29-2006, 03:04 PM
Interesting stuff.

A lot of it goes against the Mediterranean Diet: A diet that promotes cheese, moderate alcohol, bread and olive oil - several of the aspects that Dr. Cordain warns against. Also, the Mediterranean Diet has shown to be as beneficial for preventing the same diseases as the Paleolithic Diet.

Who could lift more, Paleo's or Greeks?

John Nguyen
05-30-2006, 03:42 AM
I’m a little confused about the statement “genetic mutations are characteristic in various diseases, not what is eaten.” Many diseases are a result of diet, so would it not be reasonable that genetic mutation occurs through several (or 1,000) generations of a species on a similar diet, triggering changes or – ultimately – adaptation in the genome?

No doubt a Paleolithic diet has been part of the human species much longer than the Mediterranean diet, therefore the fifty-thousand year-old Paleo diet saw and accompanied more changes of the human genome than did the two-thousand year-old Mediterranean. But does this mean that a younger diet, in which relatively new foods are introduced into the much older body, is a bad thing? I think this is where we have to examine the individual foods in the specified diet, rather than the diet as a whole.

While the Mediterranean diet has been linked to good health, it doesn’t mean every component of it contributes positively, nor does it mean that all of it is inferior to any other diets because of its novelty. Many natural foods are found to be healthy, and a good deal of them is “new,” much younger than the foods of the Paleolithic era. For example, tea is good for your health, but it was not discovered (accidentally) until 2727 BC. Grain, although not agreeable with many people, has been found to provide some healthy, nutritious components (fiber and vitamins), offering great variety to the diet. Of course, the nutrition in grain is found in other dietary sources, such as those from the Paleolithic diet. So, the way I see, it is nice to have choices.

In the end, as Gabe and Scott agreed during a private conversation, no single diet is for everyone.

But, as for me, I think that it makes sense to start with a Paleo diet and expand from there to include foods outside of it… keeping, of course, to mostly unprocessed, unrefined foods.

As far as who lifted more weight: whoever had to lift more weight, lifted more weight.

Scott Kolasinski
05-30-2006, 05:01 PM
A client today told me to read Guns, Germs and Steel to get another understanding of this whole concept. Anybody read it? Here's a quick summary I found:

Guns, Germs, and Steel
The Fates of Human Societies

Winner of the Pulitzer Prize and a national bestseller: the global account of the rise of civilization that is also a stunning refutation of ideas of human development based on race.

In this "artful, informative, and delightful" (William H. McNeill, New York Review of Books) book, Jared Diamond convincingly argues that geographical and environmental factors shaped the modern world. Societies that had a head start in food production advanced beyond the hunter-gatherer stage, and then developed writing, technology, government, and organized religion—as well as nasty germs and potent weapons of war—and adventured on sea and land to conquer and decimate preliterate cultures. A major advance in our understanding of human societies, Guns, Germs, and Steel chronicles the way that the modern world came to be and stunningly dismantles racially based theories of human history.

John Nguyen
05-30-2006, 06:39 PM
^^^ I haven't read this book but it will have to be dropped into my reading basket.

Sounds like this book reviews the evolution of food consumption and how it relates to political, culture and lifestyle development throughout human history, but I wonder if it talks about how food affects our biological make up.

Ben Fletcher
12-17-2006, 08:26 PM
This shows our evolution and how we become the nice plump things we are now.

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/built1.htm

http://www.johnberardi.com/articles/nutrition/built2.htm

jlorenz
03-31-2009, 03:34 AM
Hi,

Thought I'd bump this thread up and stir up some new debate on the Paleo Diet. Find out what folks are thinking now - it seems like it has been a while since there has been any discussion of the Paleo Diet in this forum.

After attending the CrossFit nutrition cert last weekend - I'm motivated to more strictly follow a Paleo/zone diet and just see how I feel, look and perform. Treat myself as a black box and see if it works for me.

My diet recently has been pretty high in carbs - lots of sugar, grain, cookies, milk - ugh - and my CF performance has been suffering. I'm not making new PR's. My metcons are bad and I can't lift as much weight as I could late last year ... a time when I wasn't pigging out on carbs so much.

For the noobs - CF prescribes the Paleo / Zone diet:
"Eat lean meat and veggies, nuts and seeds, some fruit, little starch, no sugar (and no dairy, no legumes, no booze). Keep intake to levels that will support exercise but not body fat."

Paleo Diet = food quality.
Zone = food quantity.

And NB: CF (Rob Wolff et al), as does Sears - recommends tweaking the Zone for athletes and individual differences.

So.... personally - I don't know or care what Grok ate. And I don't completely buy into the evolutionary justification for the Paleo Diet. But the arguments against grains, dairy, and legumes seem pretty tight:


Gluten in grains leads to "leaky gut" and autoimmune issues.
Simple carbs in grain, eaten at the wrong times, can lead to hyperinsulemia, and syndrome x.
Dairy can also spike insulin levels, leading to hyperinsulemia and syndrome x.
Hyperinsulemia seems to be linked to chronic inflammation
Phylates, the anti-nutrient in grains, binds to calcium, zinc, magnesium robbing the body of minerals.
Tannins / lectins in legumes also chelate minerals and are considered to be anti-nutrients.
Highly processed foods tend to be loaded w/ sodium, sugar, insulin spiking carbs, and tend to be deficient in fiber.


Do folks agree with these reasons to avoid these foods - and most other foods with nutrition labels?

And w/ regard to Omega 3 - there seems to be mounting evidence of the benefits of the Omega 3s in Fish Oil.

I'd be interested in hearing what the trainers at FIT are thinking about the Paleo Diet these days....

End pot stirring..... ;)

Shaun Conness
04-01-2009, 03:57 PM
Thom and I read "Guns Germs and Steel" in our book club a couple years ago. I would highly recommend reading it. It's not a fast read, but very interesting. "A Breif History of Everything" is a simular read.

Jen Pleimann
04-03-2009, 06:46 PM
Jim,

I agree with your viewpoints on the Paleo Diet and while I think it is great, I don't think a strict Paleo Diet is necessarily for everyone. I do think (lean meats, fish, fruits, veggies, nuts/seeds) should be the base of everyone's diet.

As far as the arguments against grains, dairy and legumes, I am a perfect example of someone experiencing pretty much everything on that list and seeing a huge improvement by following the paleo diet. After trying a gluten free, dairy free, and tons of other diets in between as well going through tons of tests by doctors, I decided to try the Paleo Diet after Gabe, Scott and Danielle went to the lecture by Robb Wolf and came back saying I was the perfect candidate.

In the last couple months, I have not been strict Paleo and have added some dairy back in (Fage Yogurt) and have a rice products here and there (still stay very far away from Gluten products though). I am currently starting to train for a 1/2 marathon and then planning a 100 mile bike ride and this month am going to try the Paleo Diet again (for athletes) as I know my stomach will not tolerate the things I have used for endurance training in the past (hammer gel, gu's, protein supplements, etc). We'll see!!

Let me know if you have any specific questions and good luck trying it out. I think you'll really like how you feel and how much of an improvement you'll see in your workouts.

Herm Blancaflor
04-06-2009, 03:46 PM
Jen, I will be following your lead on Paleo nutrition for the Century ride. As many know, I'm a big fan of Paleo eating, but am not quite sure about how good it will be for a long slow distance type events without some modifications to it.

I don't want to go the "Hammer Gel and GU" route. I really don't want to eat all of that sugar just in the name of sport...there's gotta be a better solution, and Paleo with modifications sounds like the best answer for me.